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工作学习 / 事业与工作 / From a business user's point of view - 什么是ERP？ -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-8 {1284} (#3601893@0)

非IT专业，为什么也要学ERP？ERP几个大方向：
Manufacturing System：生产部门
Financial System：财务部
Supply Chain System：物流部门
Human Resource System：人事部
CRM (Customer relationship system) System：营销部
Warehouse management System：仓储部
可见几乎企业所有部门，所有员工都会用到ERP的一部分功能。大企业尤其如此，招聘的时候常会看到某某软件技能优先，多掌握一点相关知识对事业发展是很有利的。 -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-8 {416} (#3601900@0)
ERP实例 1：生产企业：一条数据，N个模块 -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-8 {1422} (#3601910@0)

这里缺少对BOM(Bill Of Material)的流程管理，预算分析，各部门审批，各相关BOM的限制，交互，企业与供应商，顾客的EDI网络，REQ信息平台的共享。这才是企业生产管理的核心。 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥); 2007-4-9 (#3602888@0)

我举的例子里Purchase order和仓储管理是以Material为主, 不过加拿大没有生产厂因此不是本地ERP的核心. "企业生产管理的核心" 取决于行业和Business Model, BOM这些概念在服务型企业就无从谈起了 -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-9 (#3603186@0)

7y7, I am just curious: What kind of system is used in your company's manufacting facility in China? Is that a totally separate entity from your ERP? -nicetomeetyou(牛哥); 2007-4-9 (#3603240@0)

Technically we use the same system. Due to some legal issues, every local operating company was setup as separate entity in the system. -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-9 (#3603304@0)

ERP实例 2：隔行如隔山，从不同角度看数据 -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-8 {1127} (#3601928@0)
Thans for the nice posts. Please continue. Which ERP you are using or have experience with? SAP, Oracle EBusiness Suite, PepoleSoft or other? -lxs5666(mug); 2007-4-9 (#3602311@0)

My current company uses Oracle as back end database, SAP as business application. My husband has experience with PeopleSoft. -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-9 (#3602438@0)

thx for sharing, I have one question if you don't mind: whether ERP can be applied to planning engineer and if it can, how? -geoguy(change_forever); 2007-4-9 (#3602400@0)

据我所知，SAP没有Planning这个模块。估计没办法整合到planning engineer 的工作中去。我工作的计算机顾问公司，是2个美国top 50的大公司的subcontractor，这两个大公司都用SAP，但是我们就集中在他们的Planning 部门，补足SAP的不知，所以知道这些。专门处理Planning的ERP有一些，比如ASPEN MIMI，以及许多别的产品。不过我不懂如何用用这些Planning ERP软件，我主要做.Net的项目开发。 -davidg(David); 2007-4-9 {127} (#3602413@0)

Many companies are using their home-growing ERP systems instead of using commercial ones, for example, Microsoft develops its own system using Siebel. Manufacturing industry has complex MC/PE/MFE/QA/QS/SALES/ACCT/IT/Machine Shop/Tooling requirements. -nicetomeetyou(牛哥); 2007-4-9 (#3602421@0)
thx Dave, seems to me like ERP is only appealing to big companies with multi-operations. am I right? -geoguy(change_forever); 2007-4-9 (#3602425@0)

Implementing ERP system is very expensive and time-consuming.. small companies willnot bother instead.. -backtohome(home); 2007-4-9 (#3602474@0)

yea, that is what I thought. Thank you! -geoguy(change_forever); 2007-4-9 (#3602510@0)
not really. there are a lot of companies spent half a million or so on their ERP systems, although their revenue is only in the teens. There are ERP packages other SAP, Peoplesoft, etc.Many such packages are industry oriented, for example, distribution, retail, service, manufacturing, etc. -the_dumb_one(dumb_and_dumber); 2007-4-10 {105} (#3606605@0)

我觉得不一定是这样的。ERP不一定就是SAP,或PeopleSoft等大型软件。只要这个软件是和企业的行为有关，应该都可以认为是ERP。 -davidg(David); 2007-4-9 {770} (#3602512@0)

Good point. ERP Implementation一种是SAP这类现成套餐进行configure, 一种是in house develop. 这两种系统我都用过,后者最大的问题仍旧是integration, 一旦mergers & acquisitions,应变太依赖local resource很难风险控制,大公司这类项目越来越谨慎了 -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-9 (#3602563@0)

公司并够的时候, 好象没听说谁考虑过对方的ERP跟自己合不合的来.... -piglet(迪斯尼fan); 2007-4-13 (#3611587@0)

As far as I know, SAP does have planning function in Financial modules. But it doesn't seem to work well, too complicated to train users. Sorry that I don't know engineer side. -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-9 (#3602437@0)

fair enough, the only reason I want to know is if ERP can be a tool for engineers, I will then try to convince my boss to send me to a training. Thx for your input. -geoguy(change_forever); 2007-4-9 (#3602501@0)

如果只是考虑用大型ERP（SAP等）用在engineers上，可能不行，太贵了，而且可能没有相应模块。可以考虑请计算机公司开发专用的engineers管理软件。 -davidg(David); 2007-4-9 (#3602518@0)

I am not sure what you mean about Planning Engineer, but pretty sure SAP has Engineering Change Manage function. It is under LO module. As ERP software, it must have all kinds of planning functions such as MRP, DRP, CAP.. Check http://help.sap.com/ -sjzhao(糊涂虫); 2007-4-10 (#3605829@0)

糊涂虫，有问题请教，多谢。 -davidg(David); 2007-4-10 {750} (#3606201@0)

刚才查了一下，SAP有这个模块Production Planning (PP)（http://home.ku.edu.tr/~adervisoglu/b.html），有点奇怪我们服务的大公司为什么不用SAP，这个公司其他部门应该是都用SAP的。是不是这个PP Module不是太好用，有没有懂PP的介绍一下。 -davidg(David); 2007-4-10 (#3606244@0)

SAP 的 PS,PP,FI/CO 模块都有Planning的功能．但是它们的用途个自不同的，而且有一定的limitation.　很多的公司已经用SAP 的APO模块来代替PP的Planniing功能． -tiggerpooh(Tigger & Pooh); 2007-4-10 (#3606324@0)

From a housewife's point of view - 什么是ERP？ -c-c-c(其实,我是一名程序员); 2007-4-9 {2410} (#3602757@0)

忘了说是ZT -c-c-c(其实,我是一名程序员); 2007-4-9 (#3602816@0)

Using restaurant instead of family will be more appropriate because it does involve more stakeholders, parallel processing units.:-) -nicetomeetyou(牛哥); 2007-4-9 (#3602853@0)
这才是高 ! 我虽然写ERP程序, 但是对此一窍不通, 看了此文, 顿觉得有些明白. BTW, 分享信息: 我们公司的ERP系统是外包给IBM做的, 只用了Oracle DB和IBM的服务器, 其它都是自己写的... 据俺所知, 大部分够enterprise的公司都自制ERP. -piglet(迪斯尼fan); 2007-4-12 (#3611181@0)

强！ -labelle(㊣完美的海盗); 2007-4-13 (#3611646@0)

我顶！ -maer(马儿-小资岛主); 2007-4-10 (#3605303@0)
谢谢各位的sharing -worlddreamer31(GET READY); 2007-4-10 (#3605717@0)
Thanks for sharing. My company is going to change from BPCS (AS400) to SAP ERP. -sweetmind(上班考证换老板); 2007-4-10 (#3606607@0)
有点好奇，SAP实施起来大约要多少钱（大致范围）？我以前帮一个2～3百人公司写自己的ERP，5个程序员（包括PM），干了差不多2年，每个程序员估计成本10万美元，这个2～3百人公司的自己的ERP要100万美元。 -davidg(David); 2007-4-11 (#3607567@0)

计数单位: million. 大头是一小时收费几十上百元的Consultant, 要做到不超支不延期几乎是不可能的. 而且失败率亦不低 -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-12 (#3610894@0)

每小时over $200 -lavendermm(加菲猫不胖就是矮了点); 2007-4-12 (#3610983@0)

Yeah, it also depends on experience and module. The consultant I've been working with charges even more than that. -7y7(醉里吴音); 2007-4-12 (#3610986@0)

that's true -lavendermm(加菲猫不胖就是矮了点); 2007-4-12 (#3610995@0)
这些SAP Consultant收入真不错，我想主要原因是SAP这个系统太大，很多人接触不到，从而物以稀为贵。 -davidg(David); 2007-4-12 (#3611114@0)

非常期待下半部分 -doyouremeber(听!是谁在唱歌？); 2007-4-12 (#3610708@0)
77MM的文章总是详实有用,谢谢~! -proserpine(沉香); 2007-4-13 (#3611666@0)
这个不错，7y7请再发挥一下。 -nicetomeetyou(牛哥); 2007-4-16 (#3617348@0)

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