The best strategy is HONEST.
-aloha2u(工夫茶);
2006-2-7(#2769374@0)
说这话很有水平！点出最重要的一点：西方是信用社会，work ethnics and integrity are most important characteristics for professionals. 事实上，我所说的，都间接跟信用有关。
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-9(#2773161@0)
you work in NYC?
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7(#2770101@0)
yep
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770104@0)
hehe, big money:), from Bloomberg?
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7(#2770120@0)
bloomberg is just a data feed supplier to banks and it is not a top investment bank company at all. But we do use bloomberg server API to get some BM anaytics numbers for real closed trades...
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770128@0)
you are not working in investment banking industry, aren't u?
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770143@0)
no, I had several interview with bloomberg so far, I want to 削尖脑袋钻进这个行业:)
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7(#2770157@0)
bloomberg? again, it is a data gathering company. We are using BM, Intex and so on as data feeds and it is a not a Wall Street company.
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770174@0)
I did not say I want to join the baning industry, coz I do not know the business.
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7(#2770216@0)
柳五随风, for investment banking history, please allow me to share something with you.1. Two categories, when we are talking about Wall Street, we are talking about GS, Merrill, Morgan, Citigroup, CSFB, Deutsche Bank, UBS, J.P.Morgan and Bank Of America.
2. When we talking about commercial banks, we refer to Citi, Chase, Deutsche bank, Bank of America, HSBC, and so on.
3. please "削尖脑袋钻进这个行业" --> this means investment banking business which makes huge money.
4. do not go to bloomberg which is not a top investment bank
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7{452}(#2770240@0)
thanks tom, but you know I do not know the business, so I need a ladder first.actually it doe not matter it is BM or whatever, I just want to wade into this industry not because the pay is hig(true), but it is more stable.
thanks for shining the lights on me,
to 单纯丛技术角度讲你对技术的理解还不到位, I thought you misunderstood it:) I point was you never thought from a pure developer's perspective, actually not muany people have the chanc to work in a gloden industry, let it be financial or big IT lab.
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7{434}(#2770257@0)
never mind. But I have to point it out that your thought is wrong.The investment banking industry (Wall Street big firms) is the most volatile one. I do not know where you grep the stable idea? 100% wrong. but it is true that it is a small world. Once you in, then you in. If you are not in, you are always outside of the wall.
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7{261}(#2770266@0)
the industry is stable, that is my point.even the bank goes down, you still have bunches of chance, right:), in that case, I use stable instaed of volatile. also becausue it need time to be competent in this industry, so you are safer when there is shffufle:)
Is this right?
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7{236}(#2770273@0)
I think I better take some time to write another piece of arguable suggestion on some thoughs like you have.you just do not know the truth and you do not know how to sharp your sword. we always are prepared to get away from the office to be laid off. I AM serious, I am talking about EVERYDAY! Yes, we may get 200K this year but we may not find a job for the following year when stock market crashes.
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7{292}(#2770278@0)
oh, tell us more, please.
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7(#2770281@0)
There are a lot to talk. If you have some questions, then I would like to provide some suggs.Well, if you really want to make big money, my notes within this thread are perfect for you. Serious. And each person path is diff. So, we may talk in PM if you send me your background and questions. Again, I learn Tech from you and I may provide some business domain and entry tricks...
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7{288}(#2770290@0)
I would be pleased to talk to you later, good night
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7(#2770291@0)
do you know autosys, computer engine farms? :-)
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770295@0)
engine farms? you mean grid? or whatelse?
autosys is a big concept, so I do not know exactly what you were talking.
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-8(#2770871@0)
my friend, Bloomberg is a data provider, a highly competitive industryit's not as stable (financially) as you thought. (see Reuters)
If you got chance, go for front office of an investment bank,
advantage:
1) adapt to new tech
2) stable if you are capable (almost impossible for outsourcing)
3) big $$ reward
disadvantage:
very high pressure
-ubs(ubs);
2006-2-7{282}(#2770272@0)
thanks, but I do not have any business background, I think that matters a lot, right?I am pretty comfortable with the tech, but not the business stuff.
-frankwoo(柳五随风);
2006-2-7{66}(#2770286@0)
work for MS?you once used perl...I know perl is heavily used in MS.
-ubs(ubs);
2006-2-7{55}(#2770152@0)
we are competitors
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770165@0)
gs, mer,csfb, leh, bsc?you must be from one of them
-ubs(ubs);
2006-2-7{28}(#2770185@0)
what is bsc?
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770190@0)
bears stearnsyou are working in NYC but not in a wall-st company. I have to scratch my head... fidelity or some other fund companies from Boston or Chicago?
-ubs(ubs);
2006-2-7{143}(#2770210@0)
you should include ubs where I may come from ...
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770214@0)
and you forget J.P.Morgan which is very strong in fixed-income...
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-7(#2770220@0)
I seemy last try :) - you are working in investment bank of a "financial warehouse" like CITI or JP Morgan?
-ubs(ubs);
2006-2-7{104}(#2770230@0)
什么是NYC
-google2002(Google);
2006-2-7(#2770334@0)
New York City, I guess
-goodchoice(buff);
2006-2-8(#2771067@0)
我们一贯思维是如何持续性赠钱，培养工作能力。我刚开始工作也是想不了这么多。我想跟大家探讨问题是一个培养工作能力和赠钱能力的系统性工程。这需要天时地利 和人和，时间。１。天时 －－》 job market is pretty good or hot and you can find a job
2. 地利 --> NYC or Toronto finance hubs
3. 人和 --> we have to be lucky to know some really senior professional people or pretigious giant companies to show us some instructions or directions, or systematical trainings.
４. 时间 －－》take five to ten years to build up considerable professional work experience in a specific industry.
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-8{414}(#2771158@0)
这么多年经历告诉我：多少人身怀绝技，就是不顺。什么北大科大，就是美国的博士也不顺。为什么？两点：赶的点儿不好；路子没走对。电脑景气，匆匆忙忙转行，光忙着钱，没有长线打算 （也不知怎么打算 或是因种种原因不能打算），转眼facing outsourcing or other problems. So, cannot continue to build up a good career path. 一定不要忘了：your family members are looking forward a stable cashflow-in in 20 years. Not only in certain discrete years. 我说的也包括我自己。
-tomhelp(lucky number);
2006-2-8{328}(#2771185@0)