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枫下拾英 / 乐韵书香 / 别以为听歌剧是多么高不可攀的事!"天下多少人假汝之名而行高贵之实?"----八卦?-----通俗?----
-morningglory(牵牛花);
2005-3-15
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市场决定一切...
-mysabre(挖坑失败很失败的豪哥);
2005-3-15
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市场是可以开发和引导的.
-artshen(夏昏);
2005-3-15
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嗯.毛片也是一种艺术形式嘛,现在很发达的.我相信这种艺术会经久不衰
-colourwolf(色狼);
2005-3-15
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好莱坞的电影工业一年的销售额是30亿美金左右，但是色情片的年销售额是120亿美金，还不包括其它相关产品。看出来哪个受大众欢迎了吧
-kevin_tor(KFC);
2005-3-15
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腊肉爷爷教导我们:文艺要为无产阶级服务.毛片是劳动人民喜闻乐见的一种艺术形式,因此是很好的文艺
-colourwolf(色狼);
2005-3-16
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这种形式的歌剧如同昆曲一样是那个时代的产物，但是却没有随着时代的进步而改变，这一碴观众早不是那一喳了，那一喳感动的未必感动这一喳。正如现在的年轻人看50年代的歌曲一样。这样形式的歌剧和昆曲注定是不能进步的了，因为
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
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My dad wrote an article after he has been to New York Broadway. You are right, 歌剧 need reform to lure more people.
-simmersnake(步履无声);
2005-3-15
(#2180468@0)
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文章在哪儿，拿来看看。
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180481@0)
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in my computer. I have to find it tonight
-simmersnake(步履无声);
2005-3-15
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不一定. 纽约大都会每年从九月底到次年五月底几乎每天都上演歌剧, 周六还上演两场, 但四层楼的歌剧院场场满坐, 歌剧的事业还是很兴旺的!
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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除了纽约还有别的地方吗？我觉得全球的人都去那看，全球的市场也就那么大了。
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180543@0)
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当然有, 欧洲的大小城市都有, 数不胜数!
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180549@0)
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噢，好在不是亚洲。给几个URL看看他们的盛况。
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
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Wagner Festival at Bayreuth---sold out since 1876! I am on the waiting list and was told that I have to wait for 10 years!
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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Covent Garden (Royal Opera House in London, England)
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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La Scalla--我想往已久但一直无缘的歌剧院 (去过一次, 但不巧正在翻修)
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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够多的吧? :)
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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Metropolitan Opera House in New York
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180770@0)
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La Fenici in Venice--<茶花女>首演的剧院
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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古罗马决斗场里的歌剧--Arena Opera in Verona
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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Vienna State Opera House
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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：)，现在你可以告诉顶楼，不呼吁“望更多的朋友喜欢歌剧. ”也罢，已经有了这么多了，实在是辉煌啊！*_^
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
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歌剧走过400年,从1607年的<奥菲欧>到1999年的<欲望街车>,都迸发她的生命力!无论你听CD里帕瓦罗第的<今夜无人入睡>,还是在卡拉OK里听什么人吼一嗓子<女人善变>,不同时代的不同声音,你能不感到歌剧的不朽魅力?
-morningglory(牵牛花);
2005-3-15
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精彩唱段可以广为流传，但是全本戏就难了。
-eglington(eglington);
2005-3-15
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Because of "Fast Food Culture", time is tight, nobody wanna spend more time on full version or have the patience to "enjoy" full version..heihei
-expertune(伪劣);
2005-3-15
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but we sit in the movie theatre for more than 3 hours to watch Lord of Rings, and watch Chinese and Korean TV series for the whole night. :)
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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Because they’re there, everywhere? Not like for opera, you kind of need to “be there”. ;-) It’s understandable that people tend to take easier paths. ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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Lack of good opera singers could also be a factor. If more opera singers are as good as Russel Watson and 帕瓦罗第, I’ll then definitely go closely after it. ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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Most likely Pavarotti was an average singer already when you heard him. If all opera singers are as BAD as Pavarotti in the 90s, I would not go to opera again, only listening to old recordings.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180729@0)
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He he he... That's kind of harsh although I like Russel Watson much more. What is your comment on Russel Watson? My comment to Russel is similar to #2177464. ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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yes, i exaggerated a bit to make my point.Russel Waton is one of those pretty faces that recording companies are marketing very hard. Check out these opera singers: Cecilia Bartoli, Bryn Terfel, and Angela Geoghiu, even Renee Fleming is not bad.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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Ha ha... Wasn't aware that I like "pretty faces". ;-) Will definitely check out these you recommended. They’d better “move” me in order to be accepted and liked by me. ;-) And THANKS!
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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BTW, if "pretty faces” are accepted and liked so that the opera is widely marketed and known, would that be an issue? ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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yes, it would be an issue. The good news is that more people will like opera and more money for the art, the bad news is that stars will be made by their look and not by their singing.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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牵牛花, your wish will definitely come true. No worries. As long as we have 老音乐迷 here with us. ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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#2180870
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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Hey, 迷老, 八卦一下, are there any (35-45)-year-old male singles in this 7-8人队伍? ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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haha, 有, 好象还不只一个. :P
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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Seat numbers? ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
(#2181153@0)
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secret! :)
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2181156@0)
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呵呵... ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
(#2181160@0)
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我再次再次激动了!.....真想给老音乐迷一个HUG!!
-morningglory(牵牛花);
2005-3-15
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哎，我在他以下。
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2181646@0)
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改得到挺快，BTW 你的什么 wishes 会 come true？
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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咦，楼主，您怎么偏心跑题的呢？！困惑。。。;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
(#2181650@0)
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牵牛花偏心跑题？呵，又一个八卦新闻，快说来听听。
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2181665@0)
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#2181642 ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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你本来说的她的 wish 是什么？
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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嘻嘻。。。;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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“望更多的朋友喜欢歌剧”- 难道是个坑？！;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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不是坑，但是我也正莫名其妙着呢，好端端的，怎么当众就HUG以下，而且贴在你的下边。
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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哟，您要不提醒，俺还真疏忽了。。。看来俺是说中了！！！;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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我被你吓着了，我什么也没提醒啊？今天真是见鬼了，这个事儿。。。咋就整不明白了呢？你说中什么了？哎呀，看你把我急的！
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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还不说？那我揭你的短了。
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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那我可说了。
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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别，别，俺PIA！#2181713 ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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呵呵，你说晚了，我还是要公布！那天你唱花脸，叫板用的是花旦 你~听~我~说。
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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咳，要允许反串，允许革新嘛！;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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：) 不知道是反串还是正串 ^_^
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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呵呵。。。国人，咱八卦一下儿。有没觉着这老音乐迷和这最爱皮黄有可能是兄弟俩？;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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一个人？不太可能，不过这兄弟俩这范围有广了点儿。我本来琢磨着这皮黄是王朔，可是和王的性格不太像。
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2181746@0)
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咳，这么明显您都没看出来？这哥几个什么都好，就是太内行，太叫真儿，太诲人不倦啦！可叹，可叹！！！;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
(#2181758@0)
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那是谈歌剧，全是正面的，可能还到不了挑剔的程度。谈京剧也能诲人不倦就好了。
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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#2179373, #2181720 ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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做人要厚道。。。厚厚。。。;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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#2181719 晚了，厚厚
-x888(做好国人干正事不唰网);
2005-3-15
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呵呵... ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
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Good opera singers are a lot right now. The problem is the market.
-sunwave72(changjiang);
2005-3-18
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音乐，终究还是Absolute music rules. Theatrical pieces, 唉。。。~~~
-lifesucks(北京板儿爷 - 粪清爱);
2005-3-15
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only for some people. the most primitive music must have come from human voice
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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The first musical instruments ever to have been created, percussions, are just as old as the artistic usage of human vocal cord. You strike a bone on a rock, it makes a sound. Ape-men knew that better than we do ;)
-lifesucks(北京板儿爷 - 粪清爱);
2005-3-15
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Did ape-men have their love songs? ...... Maybe......
-lifesucks(北京板儿爷 - 粪清爱);
2005-3-15
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不知道有没有love songs, 但肯定唱过"柴堆上炉火雄雄"及Aida中的"打猎归来". :)
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
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快来看，说歌剧不好听，老乐迷生气啦。
-pipibug(golf);
2005-3-15
(#2180804@0)
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呵呵，没人说不好听，只是在讨论怎么吸引新人。：)
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180808@0)
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快来看，老乐迷和三八掐起来了
-pipibug(golf);
2005-3-15
(#2180820@0)
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呵呵，唯恐天下不乱。本来谈“望更多的朋友喜欢歌剧.”，我们谈着谈着就跑题了。
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180834@0)
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就跑到歌剧好不好听上去了，就跑到歌剧辉不辉煌上去了。你这是瞎起哄。
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180848@0)
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跑题好象是我的特长 :P
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180849@0)
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呵呵，能想像到你滔滔不绝的样子，其中不跑点儿题儿还真会闷。：)
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180858@0)
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呵呵... ;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
(#2180818@0)
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呵呵, 那里那里~~~人们说对歌剧只有爱或狠, 没有中庸之说. 爱者爱之深, 狠者狠之切.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180843@0)
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请支持歌剧的朋友们去看4月3日的<游吟诗人>吧. 现已有7-8人了,队伍正在扩大. (#2157942)
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180870@0)
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你们有组织还是等票？这个票是不是可以了？BALCONY SEATING CA $40.00 - CA $70.00, CHILDREN (17 YRS & UNDER ) -- CA $18
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180882@0)
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我们都是自己定的票. 你的票听和看整体场面应该可以, 当然看不到演员的表情了~~~ 但那要多付$100. 我会带女儿去, 在Balcony Row W
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180908@0)
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你不介意我也订 Row W的吧？：)，那天2：00 一场，7点多一场，你是哪场？
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180938@0)
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不行, 离我远点~~当然不介意了
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
{12}
(#2180945@0)
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我又加了个问题，呵呵。
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2180948@0)
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2:00
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180953@0)
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我 search了老半天都免不了那十几块的 Convennience Fee。请问你是在哪儿买的？我想让朋友去 Hummingbird Centre，可是不知道他们卖票不？
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2181021@0)
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我在网上定的, 也付了Convenience charge. Humingbird Centre box office 可以买到票, 但去前查查时间, 看Box Office 是否开门.
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2181025@0)
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Thank you.
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2181027@0)
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羡慕啊，去不了，发个好帖回来。顺便：New Creations Festival from TSOhttp://www.newcreationsfestival.com/concerts.asp
this is for Longlong
http://www.tso.ca/season/ticket/calendar_perform.cfm?ID=277
this is a great and very wonderful forum for TSO, you could ask any question there and study English(You had asked some English Forum before). Enjoy
http://www.tso.ca/cgi-bin/ubbcgi/Ultimate.cgi
-pipibug(golf);
2005-3-15
{333}
(#2181078@0)
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Thank you.
-x888(做好国人，上班不唰网);
2005-3-15
(#2181111@0)
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我就是在那里买的票.没有任何附加费用
-lovemusic(Do it Yourself);
2005-3-15
(#2181906@0)
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一条新闻: 意大利斯卡拉歌剧院出现了内部权力斗争, 为了保护歌剧院的名誉, 意大利国会进行干预调解----可见歌剧在其发源地的重要性!
-klassische(老音乐迷);
2005-3-15
(#2180921@0)
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没有连接吗?~~~
-njzy("王朔");
2005-4-21
(#2253286@0)
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看来没有~
-njzy("王朔");
2005-5-11
(#2289989@0)
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好消息！好消息！牵牛花“望更多的朋友喜欢歌剧”的呼吁已然收回。因为，由天才放松放松提出的解决方案（#2180871）已然成功出台并予楼主激动接受（#2181642）。敬告，敬告！！！;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-15
(#2181713@0)
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没想到" Hug"引起的注意占了许多篇幅! 要是讨论歌剧该多令人欣慰呀.就算是"中场休息"吧,如果大家都能去看<游吟诗人>,我就试图发现"老音乐迷",然后当众------给他一个------握手!-----而不敢-----怕他旁边------.
-morningglory(牵牛花);
2005-3-16
(#2182426@0)
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#2180849, #2180858，呵呵。。。哦，灯光暗下来，中场休息结束，下半场要开始了。。。
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-16
(#2182489@0)
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（小声地）BTW，一个HUG太少了，要给多几个HUG给迷老才行。;-)
-fangsongfangsong(放松放松);
2005-3-16
(#2182491@0)
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我真心---希望更多的朋友喜欢歌剧----"老音乐迷"是铁杆歌剧爱好者,给大家带来了很多精彩的POSTS! 到这时,大家没有感觉到欣赏歌剧,要比欣赏乐器的Classical music 来的容易些吗?
-morningglory(牵牛花);
2005-3-16
(#2182425@0)
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好！喜欢你的自我简介，不过牵牛花将自己的小屋堆的满满的，屋里会有小虫吧？
-hsl(胡司乱令);
2005-3-19
(#2189663@0)