15 months? It's even more express than a MBA. I don't believe you did learn much if you have no bachelor of CS or equivalent background. Let's see it in a couple of years, hehe.
-guest:;
2000-8-22(#7014@0)
were you talking about master degree? and the 15-20 courses you were talking about are all one-semester courses?I don't think first degree helps much, especially from China, except those from some top applied science schools and for courses for freshman year. So 25 to 30 one-semester courses in department of CS may be sufficient for bachelor degree in honours. I know people can do things in express way, but if you really want to learn something, either the good education or the time you put into it is never a waste.
-guest:;
2000-8-22{411}(#7027@0)
by the way, at U of T, most people at CS don't take more than 3 CS courses in one semester because of the well-known course load, including one top genius who graduated with GPA 4.2x in the days when A+ was counted as 4.30.
-guest:;
2000-8-22(#7032@0)
My intention is to help these NEW immigrants who need a quick solution for
a good job...here the discussion changes to unrevelant concern. The bottom line is
find a job and survive first. It is different from doing acedemic
research then contribute to the development of computer science.
The new comer don't have time to wait, so they go to college. Now I
find that of same or less time, same money, they can get more if they
choose degree study. Please pay attention that I am not talking abt
acedemic issue.
-long-river(long-river);
2000-8-23{432}(#7110@0)
Whatever, it was because the discussion was beyond your control.
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7112@0)
I know a guy who has a Canadian MBA applied for graduate study in Uinversity of Windsor.He was accepted.But he was requir to take 11 under courses.It will take him at lease 2 years to get the master degree!
-guest:how can UWO so easy?;
2000-8-23(#7116@0)
UWO is rated number 5 and UW is rated
-guest:number 24!;
2000-8-23(#7117@0)
man, can you please take a little more of your time to write down the full name? UW could be University of Waterloo too, hehe.
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7118@0)
remember, faster doesn't mean better.
and you should specify what kind of ranking you are talking about, don't mix them.
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7119@0)
That is what I am talking about
-guest:how can UWO so easy?;
2000-8-23(#7121@0)
a faster way to make money for the school? Who knows. U of Waterloo is not in same category with U of T, but it's still a decent school. The other thing is that I don't think the reputation of U of Windsor is much different from that of UWO.
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7123@0)
they are not in the same category, and big difference among different departments and research groups.
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7120@0)
As I know, even CS at Mcgill requires 8 undergraduate core courses before admitting you to Master study.
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7122@0)
UWO requires some 15 under courses before admission to graduate study...some of you seems very familiar with university education in Canada.
Let's help our new comers. Colleges and Computer Schools are cheating
their money.
... my story..finished all under courses within one year
finished graduate courses with 3 months
-long-river(long-river);
2000-8-23{258}(#7125@0)
You are genius! What about your thesis?Normally it will take 2-3 terms.
-guest:not easy.;
2000-8-23(#7126@0)
If graduate courses can be done in 3 months, such university makes faster money than training schools! And with better title! It sounds too good to be true.The only explaination is that CS dept of UWO is smart!
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7128@0)
conclusion: the education level of UWO is very doubtful.
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7127@0)
my fast has nothing to do which university....in fact, I can be of that speed at most canada universities. that's why
I am here to help new comers. But you guys changed my focus to
evaluate school levels. That's wrong. For new comer, ( I once was)
the biggest concern is find a decent job
Well, been enough, let's go back to my original intention and do something
for new comers, save their time and money. and show them an easy route.
-long-river(long-river);
2000-8-23{399}(#7130@0)
Nobody has ever asked you to change your intention or goal. You are free to express your opinion and experience here, as well as us.
-guest:;
2000-8-23(#7131@0)
Thank you for your warm-hearted suggestion, long-river!I know you feel a little disappointed because the discussion always is turned to some other aspects. Take it easy, our these friends just are interested in those topic, and as your original intention, the newcomers still benefits from your articles as well as the above discussion.
You're a warm-hearted person, long-river. We appreciate your helpful information. I hope you like this community and please feel free to join any discussions in which you're interested .
-sailor(Sailor);
2000-8-23{476}(#7137@0)
hi,longriver,i have just read ur article.i have just received my LP and will land in next months. my major isn't compu. and i want study cs in can. i am very instersting for ur experiences. could u tell me more details?what's kind degree u've got? how can i be admitted in that kind special courses? does every university have that kind of courses?
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-29{131}(#23196@0)
Master Of Computer Science and Deploma of Undergraduate. I should have gotten
a Batchelor of Science degree if I hadn't had a sinence degree before. UWO
doesn't issue second science degree at the same level.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-29(#23204@0)
thanks for ur reply. i didn't get ur point yet. didi u apply a mature applicants ? what's the english requirements ? what do i need to take about my education backgraund ?my Email:minx_alex@yahoo.com. would y mind to send me email to tell me more details about ur experiences ? how do u improve ur English ?
Thanks a lot .
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-29{152}(#23212@0)
Can you tell us: how long have you been in UWO?how many courses you have to take in order to graduate? how long it is going to take you to get your
-guest:degree;
2001-1-29(#23232@0)
1 year and 3 months. about 20 coureses.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-29(#23234@0)
have you apply for co-operate program in UWO?is it easy
-guest:to get offer?;
2001-1-29(#23237@0)
If you have many job offers from first level companies, would you care
about co-op ? I didn't pay a second to worry about co-op.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-29(#23239@0)
What I wonder is, will company heir students who have no hand on experience? a resume of a guy from waterloohttp://www.student.math.uwaterloo.ca/~s4li/resume.htm
-guest:address inside;
2001-1-29{53}(#23240@0)
Study hard to make good scroes. no body would expect 'hands-on' experience
from a student.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-29(#23241@0)
thank you for your reply.i know my English isn't good. That's what i worry about now.I remember your major is marine and you know nothing about computer before landing.so how can u get your batchelor of computer in one year ?how can u only choose those 15 or 20 courses to study? i 've gotten a batchelor of chemical engineer in china.Can i apply the undergrad. student just like you? i think your experiences is very important for me.
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-29{351}(#23245@0)
Yes, you can do what I have done. Only bear in mind I am the first student
in the over 100 year history of UWO that finishes so many courses duringsuch a short period. 15 to 20 courses for Computer Science are HUGE.
I also suggest you read English formal publishes everyday from today to
improve your language sense. Your English reveals that you think in Chinese
when you use English. That's what I used to be. If there is any chance, find a
Canadian girl friend for you. Rumors said that one night with a canadian girl
worths 5 years of English learning. Believe or no.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-29{433}(#23250@0)
oh,you are great ! your sugggestion is very heplful to me . By the way could your tell me what is the best way to improve my English after i landing according to your experiences?
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-30(#23299@0)
if you can, do it according to rumors.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-30(#23330@0)
good ideal! i will try. how abou you ?why not choose a Canadian girl griend ? it's very hard ?
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-30(#23335@0)
because studying hard harmed my health ...
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-30(#23339@0)
oh,sorry . just like you have said, no pain no gain . i hope i can be your friend in the future
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-30(#23351@0)
just a joke. I was about to put some dirty reasons. good luck man.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-30(#23378@0)
thank you ,good luck and happy new year !
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-31(#23468@0)
i see. i have some questions. JAVA is very hot now .But maybe later other technologies or languages will replace JAVA . i will layoff because i know nothing except JAVA if i learn JAVA like the guy you know ,am i right?if you decided, which will you choose ? JAVA or degree?
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-30{56}(#23302@0)
i see. thank you very very much . i know what i should do . you are so kind . i hope someday i can help new comer like you.
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-30(#23334@0)
By the way. As i knew so many peoples are studying JAVA, it's easy for me to get a job like your friend after i finish my course? will i be more competitive if i get a degree?
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-1-31(#23466@0)
a degree will certainly help youa lot. Learning JAVA has its risk, namely when you finish, the market has already changed.
But, I don't know when. I sent my wife to a JAVA school and then, like many others
do, pray.
A degree, on the other had, benefits you lifetime. No matter how the market changes,
as long as IT personal is in demanding, you don't need to worry too much about
the trend of any division of the market.
Make a decision isn't easy, eh?
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-1-31{434}(#23496@0)
Thank you, charming wjiang! I will land Toronto by end Feb, but I have no idea about the weekend gathering. Where is it? When? i hope i can join you after my landing. *_*
-sisi(丝路花雨);
2001-2-1(#23806@0)
too late, man.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-6(#24749@0)
Sorry, forgot one thing. Do you mean that course program is easy to be admitted for you must pay for yourself? Is it very competetive applying for UWO's CS program?
-sisi(丝路花雨);
2001-2-1(#23807@0)
yes.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-6(#24748@0)
Sorry, I am the "Longriver". I lost the ID sometime ago. I don't
know why I can't keep such a beautiful name. I will discuss that with
Rolia if I can see him this weekend.In the meantime, take the ugly 'wjiang' as the charming 'Longriver'.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-1{72}(#23746@0)
check your mailbox of 'longriver2000@usa.net' . Your password has been sent to you.
-sailor(Sailor);
2001-2-1(#23770@0)
Thanks.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-1(#23771@0)
I do not see any charm of Longriver, :-( and the ugly of wjiang??? Is it WU JIANG? In my memory, it is a lovely small cozy town near Su Zhou, xixi *_*
-sisi(丝路花雨);
2001-2-1(#23805@0)
Course Work is easier to get admitted.If you can afford some 15k to 25k
dollars yourself, go for course work.
It is more flexible and controlable.
The weekend gathering will be hold
this weekend only. You may not be
able to take part in this time.
You are from Shanghai? I was from
TongJi.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-1{266}(#23815@0)
Why you thought I am from Shanghai? I come from Jiangxi. Any TONG XIANG? *_*
-sisi(丝路花雨);
2001-2-4(#24470@0)
Because you mentioned Wu Jiang.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-4(#24473@0)
You are so careful. Yup, I just went Suzhou and passed by Wujiang. I like Suzhou very much for it is quiet and beautiful, a good place to live when you are old.
-sisi(丝路花雨);
2001-2-5(#24495@0)
Hihi, I just saw you were arriving very soon. Good to know that.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-6(#24747@0)
i see, could you tell me what do i need if i decide to apply the course work programe in UWO? the Tof. score? the money? and ? i think 15k or 25 k dollars is too expensive for me!
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-2-4(#24273@0)
you can get some 9000 dollars of loan from government. you need to have at
least 11000 dollars. Toefl should be at least 580.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-4(#24323@0)
oh,the 11000 dollars is US dollars or CAD dollares? i think it's not a samll number . do i have time or energy to get money by doing some part-time job if i choose the course work programme?
-alexm(Alex min);
2001-2-10(#25480@0)
It is Cad$. But you can apply for TA, Teaching Assistant. You
get some 1,000 dollars a month. Good luck.
-wjiang(wjiang);
2001-2-10(#25560@0)