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My two cents

specialday(Joyce)

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. treasury相关的工作在加拿大并不多, 因为通常只有large Canadian owned public company的corporate office才会有独立的完整的treasury 部门. 和美国比起来, treasury type of jobs in Canada真的是少的可怜.

2. CFA charter is not a must for ppl work in treasury field, but it is definately a plus. Treasury的工作虽然属于finance, 可Treasury部门还是falls under CFO's umbrella. 大部分加拿大公司的Treasurer都是accountant (通常是CA), 所以请treasury analyst 会要求应聘者有一定的会计背景. 当然, 这不是绝对的. 偶以前做过的一家颇具规模的上市公司的Treasury分成两个部门, 负责banking, bank relationship, cash managment 和financing 的Director 是CA, 她请的analyst也是CA. 而负责FI pricing & valuation, risk management, M&A 的Director 则是CFA + MBA, 他下面请的analyst也是CFA + MBA. 所以还得看hiring manager 的background.

3. 之前提过, Treasury analyst也分很多种, 不知道你现在具体做什么, 可如果让你去做daily banking, cash management似乎有点大材小用, hiring manager或许会觉得你overqualified. 所以给自己定位很重要.

4. 如果你有留意的话, 现在很多公司都要求应聘者有CTP (certified treasury professional) designation. 这个认证在treasury行内要比CFA更被看重.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

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Last Updated: 2008-11-21

CFA入行后考较好，以其为跳板入行则不易；CFP需要销售能力，或者有一定的客户基础，如果不善与人沟通的，技术能力再强也不管用 -georges(L乔); 2008-11-16 (#1432@52)

一般咋入行？没加拿大的证券分析经验啊。 -tomatosauce(番茄); 2008-11-16 (#1433@52)

很多要CFA / CFA Candidate的职位其实都很重视会计背景，你只要强调你的会计背景，再告诉别人你是CFA Level 几的 Candidate，表示你on CFA Track一般就够了。 -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-16 (#1434@52)

怎么礼拜天起那么早？ -mnnancy(noidea); 2008-11-16 (#1436@52)

我老人家上年纪了，不用睡多少，不像你们小孩子还在青春发育期。 -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-16 (#1438@52)

谢谢八爷。 -tomatosauce(番茄); 2008-11-16 (#1439@52)

我成土匪了。 -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-16 (#1440@52)

别呀，八爷，您可不是一般的土匪，您可是个有知识有文化的金融土匪。 -tomatosauce(番茄); 2008-11-18 (#1455@52)

嗬嗬，现在当金融土匪迟了，全 writedown 了，没什么好抢的。还是琢磨琢磨上哪儿抢两个压寨夫人去。 -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-18 (#1458@52)

乱世出英雄。全体writedown的时候，正是土匪横空出世的好时机。 -appleclassical(那么近，那么远。。); 2008-11-18 (#1459@52)

getting into the industry normally needs 'networking' and 'luck', but the timing is really bad the way things are now -georges(L乔); 2008-11-18 (#1461@52)

考CFA，不一定要做证券分析，大公司的Treasury also values this certificate -appleclassical(那么近，那么远。。); 2008-11-18 (#1463@52)

en. -mnnancy(noidea); 2008-11-18 (#1464@52)
agree! :) -specialday(Joyce); 2008-11-18 (#1467@52)
True. But again, you better get into 'treasury' to begin with. Still hard to get in with only a CFA title (if not companying with treasury experience) -georges(L乔); 2008-11-19 (#1470@52)

好像从会计切入比较容易。。我部门90%是会计出身的 -mnnancy(noidea); 2008-11-19 (#1473@52)
CFA charter is not a must for ppl work in Treasury field, but it is definately a plus. -specialday(Joyce); 2008-11-19 (#1480@52)

oh REALLY? cool! -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-19 (#1485@52)

Treasury job: 99% for Balance Sheet? -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-19 (#1474@52)

Cash flow. (外行了吧) -jinx99(ABCP); 2008-11-19 (#1475@52)

Where does Cash Flow come from? -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-19 (#1476@52)

A/R A/P ya... and company's CF projection -mnnancy(noidea); 2008-11-19 (#1478@52)

Well, that's Balance Sheet. -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-19 (#1479@52)

WC management, ST & LT financing -specialday(Joyce); 2008-11-19 (#1481@52)

y: Current Asset, Liability. -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-19 {659} (#1483@52)
You know, I was reading tons of statements, different industries and companies in different countries, whole day long yesterday. So I was thinking during working out: what we say "Finance" are actually 80-90% relating to the Balance Sheet (B/S, yes, that's it!), 10-20% about the I/S. All other business activities, operation/marketing/strategy etc etc, are about I/S.

Then, when I looked at piles of statements last night, all of a sudden, I realized that basically almost everything, except those purely creative stuffs for non-material usage, could be described and included somewhere in the Balance Sheet and Income Statement. :)

Interesting.

做risk analysis么？还是investment analysis.. -mnnancy(noidea); 2008-11-20 (#1487@52)

International companies usually hedge foreign investment by future, swap or option. Interest rate also need to be hedged againest the market volatility. Anyway, risk management is usually used in a big company with oversea operation. -tomatosauce(番茄); 2008-11-23 (#1514@52)

不做证券分析如Portfolio Manager那真是可惜了。在国内金融界，这个可是很吃香的，年薪百万。 -tomatosauce(番茄); 2008-11-23 (#1517@52)

百万年薪有根据吗？咱们该看平均数对吧，CFA Institute贴出来的中国CFA的平均收入是5万美元左右 -georges(L乔); 2008-11-24 (#1522@52)

各位做Treasury的前辈，能否介绍个Treasury Analyst的职位给我？无他，唯CFA考试合格证 -georges(L乔); 2008-11-20 (#1486@52)

CFA charterholder 做个treasury analyst 有点大材小用了. :) // 不过treasury analyst 也分很多种, 负责banking, cash management的就比较junior, assist in risk management / financing / FI pricing & valuation/ M&A 就属于senior TA, 看你希望做什么了. -specialday(Joyce); 2008-11-20 (#1489@52)

既然已经charterholder了，那一定要申请senior了，不然对不起自己付出的银子和大好时光呀。 -appleclassical(那么近，那么远。。); 2008-11-20 (#1490@52)
I wish to start as a treasury analyst -georges(L乔); 2008-11-21 {1834} (#1492@52)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛I wish to start as a treasury analyst, for sure senior position is better but if experience is highly stressed I won't mind start at low. Question is: Is it possible to get in - I tried a few application though never got interview.

Right now I'm working at back office in investment industry, ever hoped to get into middle/front office but the way things are now there is little chance. I never wanted to be a security analyst as it is not only boring/tough/a lot to read to write to present to sell (your ideas/reports), and it is no different to gambling unless you hit the jackpot becoming a star analyst (so what you making $20 million a year? - yeah that's the top analyst in Wall Street in a good year) Analysts do not general profits per se, their research results can be used as soft dollar at most if you are on the sell side, and if you are lucky enough to be on the buy side then you better produce some really great ideas for portfolio managers to adopt - and endosed by the market - or else you are done no matter how hard you work - who cares you work 70hrs or 100hrs a week - boss needs positive results.

How about becoming a trader? Yeah, no dice - how many Chinese out there working as a trader for a big investing firm/bank? Don't mention M/A or underwriting, those jobs require big networking/sales skills rather than finance knowledge itself - forget about CFA - everybody has that if not the Charter at least some level passed - you drop a thing from above in downtown Toronto, chances are it'll hit a CFA charterholder or candidate.

Got a lot to say, but I've decided to look into treasury area as it makes more sense more down to the earth compare with all shitty stories wall/bay street try to sell or tell.

Wish I could get some insider advise on landing a treasury job - much appreciated更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

You WISH? -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-21 (#1494@52)

your point? -georges(L乔); 2008-11-21 (#1495@52)

I guess you want to say you HOPE (or WANT, PLAN) to start as a treasury analyst, right? -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-21 (#1496@52)

If I use 'hope' or 'want' or 'plan', could you get me a reference? :-) -georges(L乔); 2008-11-21 (#1497@52)

You could have much better odds landing a decent job if you use some improvements on communication skills. -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-22 (#1503@52)

communication skills like what? 有沟通技巧不一定有沟通到的运气。BTW较个真的话，前面那贴用wish是没错的，只是不想在这离题讨论英语 -georges(L乔); 2008-11-23 (#1506@52)

hoho. -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-23 (#1508@52)

My two cents -specialday(Joyce); 2008-11-21 {1132} (#1498@52)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. treasury相关的工作在加拿大并不多, 因为通常只有large Canadian owned public company的corporate office才会有独立的完整的treasury 部门. 和美国比起来, treasury type of jobs in Canada真的是少的可怜.

2. CFA charter is not a must for ppl work in treasury field, but it is definately a plus. Treasury的工作虽然属于finance, 可Treasury部门还是falls under CFO's umbrella. 大部分加拿大公司的Treasurer都是accountant (通常是CA), 所以请treasury analyst 会要求应聘者有一定的会计背景. 当然, 这不是绝对的. 偶以前做过的一家颇具规模的上市公司的Treasury分成两个部门, 负责banking, bank relationship, cash managment 和financing 的Director 是CA, 她请的analyst也是CA. 而负责FI pricing & valuation, risk management, M&A 的Director 则是CFA + MBA, 他下面请的analyst也是CFA + MBA. 所以还得看hiring manager 的background.

3. 之前提过, Treasury analyst也分很多种, 不知道你现在具体做什么, 可如果让你去做daily banking, cash management似乎有点大材小用, hiring manager或许会觉得你overqualified. 所以给自己定位很重要.

4. 如果你有留意的话, 现在很多公司都要求应聘者有CTP (certified treasury professional) designation. 这个认证在treasury行内要比CFA更被看重.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net

谢谢你写这么多，目前在做valuation，虽然没有treasury或accounting的工作经验，但如果让我pick up treasury的一些function，肯定没问题——关键在于有没有机会进去做。另外，考证本身不是问题，但绝不会在入行前考了。 -georges(L乔); 2008-11-22 (#1500@52)

有没有机会得看你的运气, 简历上的work experience要尽量往TA 的job requirements / responsibilities上靠. -specialday(Joyce); 2008-11-23 (#1509@52)

Thanks -georges(L乔); 2008-11-23 (#1512@52)

做Valuation应该很不错吧？那好像是个高精尖的东西，也就是通常说的Financial Engineer，不是一般人能做的。 -tomatosauce(番茄); 2008-11-23 (#1516@52)

FI pricing & valuation, risk management, M&A 一般都是MBA （with a focus on Finance）才学的，所以找这种背景的就不奇怪了。可以说有会计背景的MBA (Imagine a CPA + MBA!) 是最受欢迎的。 -wanglaoba(胃口倍好，身体倍棒); 2008-11-22 (#1502@52)

CPA + CFA is preferred. :) -specialday(Joyce); 2008-11-23 (#1510@52)

CA+CFA也许更强吧，不过考证这码子事我觉得被很多人过分强调了，还是‘不在其位，不谋其证’为好 -georges(L乔); 2008-11-23 (#1513@52)

CA + CFA in Canada; CPA + CFA in the States. :) -specialday(Joyce); 2008-11-23 (#1518@52)

FRM should be the best designation in the field of risk management. -tomatosauce(番茄); 2008-11-23 (#1515@52)

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