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I sincerely respect you for going the extra miles to help out our fellow Chinese IT immigrants. I salute you for that. But to me, there are some principles I stick to. Integrity is one of those principles.

forevermore(and more)

Just been through a series of interviews recently, here are two examples of how I handled situations with integrity.

One employer asked for JSF, I told him straight that I'd read about JSF and played with JSF sample applications, but never worked on a real project. HOWEVER, a big however, that I've had 10 years of JSP/Servlet and 5 years of Strusts and Spring MVC, and I'm confident I can work with JSF in your project.

Another employer asked for Dojo, again I told him similar things that I've had extensive experience with JavaScript and two other AJAX libraries. Then, he took my line and said "I'm sure you can pick up Dojo in no time." Voila.

If the employer you are dealing with doesn't buy in, then it's his loss, not yours. I don't wanna work for stupid employers like that anyway.

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Last Updated: 2010-4-27

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工作学习 / 事业与工作 / First Job: Interview - Communications (1) -wincity(toad); 2010-4-26 {4726} (#6035156@0)

说的不错。可惜我大学毕业以来面试的次数可以用一个手掌数清楚，真是惭愧，惭愧。 -mikesmith(老猫); 2010-4-26 (#6035198@0)

谢老猫。你回的真快，我连改一下都来不及。 -wincity(toad); 2010-4-26 (#6035230@0)

很认真地看了你一系列的文章，诚恳而有见地。不过还是要说一句，case by case. 有的老板喜欢多说的人，有的喜欢干活的人。 -gdtina(Tina); 2010-4-26 (#6035289@0)

There is a big difference between "能说" and "多说". Capability is one thing, desire is another. It's always helpful to acquire the capability. On top of that, execise it with good judgement. -cca(不归的如来佛); 2010-4-26 (#6035302@0)

emm, this is a high quality post -win(秋天的菠菜); 2010-4-26 (#6035297@0)
People like wincity are a truly valuable asset of this community! -cca(不归的如来佛); 2010-4-26 (#6035312@0)

...even though I would take slight exception with him on the other debate.:-) -cca(不归的如来佛); 2010-4-26 (#6035319@0)

You make a lot of good points too. I don't mind different opinions. -wincity(toad); 2010-4-26 (#6035351@0)

他连他自己闺女都没有搞定 -vetra(多泡泡); 2010-4-26 (#6035320@0)

? -cca(不归的如来佛); 2010-4-26 (#6035326@0)

他家闺女都没有 listening 他 -vetra(多泡泡); 2010-4-26 (#6035336@0)

闺女不听话，老爸也没法。 -wincity(toad); 2010-4-26 (#6035349@0)

我感觉WINCITY连基本的党，国家，政府，正义，道德这些词汇都搞不清，，，感觉很像一个义和团和红卫兵移民到了加拿大，，，而且是会说英文的红卫兵，，， -hpibmcanada(unix); 2010-4-27 (#6036333@0)

你连标点符号都没搞清，还好意思教育俺。 -wincity(toad); 2010-4-27 (#6036337@0)

说你爱听的就是good communicator，说你不爱听的, 就是bad listener. 你一把年纪, 心智却跟teenager 没什么区别，还有这么些马甲双手互搏。你说吧你理解别人多少？你为什么不能算作loser? -u1a037(马鸭树); 2010-4-26 (#6035461@0)

他比TEENAGER厉害多了，，，，他的狡辩功夫比李敖都厉害，，，呵呵 -hpibmcanada(unix); 2010-4-27 (#6036334@0)

和李熬比，那差太.....那个了。不过这老哥还有一杀手茧，说不过你就删你的贴。就不能干出一点事表明自己不是个loser? 至少不是个彻底没救的loser. -u1a037(马鸭树); 2010-4-27 (#6036467@0)

你俩是不是认识呀。要是的话，那就算打情骂俏了（或者是互相调侃：-））。没别人什么事。要不的话，您的跟贴有点刻薄。至少人家是好意在帮忙呀。不是每个人都愿意分享经验的。您也是成功人士了。要不您来也发一个？ -hunk(酷酷); 2010-4-27 (#6036520@0)

本来是近来得空找乐子才来的。看不惯多说了几句，这坛子里屁滇屁滇的还真不少。浮燥，自我，鼠目寸光，自以为是。“成功人士”？你说笑了，这坛子的定义不适用于小我。那点小九九，拿出来分享，误导别人，倒不如不讲。 -u1a037(马鸭树); 2010-4-27 (#6036717@0)

浮燥，自我，鼠目寸光，自以为是, 其实谁敢说他/她在人生某个点上没有过这些毛病呢？看个乐就算了。 -hunk(酷酷); 2010-4-27 (#6036959@0)

看不懂，先支持一下 -oasis(oasis); 2010-4-26 (#6035483@0)
"make up experiences" --- Won't support it. -nicetomeetyou(淡定灌水); 2010-4-26 (#6035595@0)

牛哥当然不用了。俺只是写给小老百姓看的。 -wincity(toad); 2010-4-26 (#6035638@0)

Excellent article, hoho, which could inspire many Chinese ppl, with all due respect, one fact that I can't agree is "make up experience", we should never fabricate our experience, because it is simply illegal, we can dress up our resume by -coopers(Coopers); 2010-4-26 {277} (#6035669@0)
taking the courses or obtaining the certificates, but, we should not create anything that did not happen in the past of our work experience, the bottom line is not to create the company that we did not work for, not to extend the length of service time for the specific company

"which I sincerely respect", but respectfully disagree. -wincity(toad); 2010-4-26 (#6035945@0)

Excellent! Looking forward to next one. -majorhomedepot(马甲后的炮); 2010-4-26 (#6036173@0)
I sincerely respect you for going the extra miles to help out our fellow Chinese IT immigrants. I salute you for that. But to me, there are some principles I stick to. Integrity is one of those principles. -forevermore(and more); 2010-4-27 {811} (#6036259@0)
Just been through a series of interviews recently, here are two examples of how I handled situations with integrity.

One employer asked for JSF, I told him straight that I'd read about JSF and played with JSF sample applications, but never worked on a real project. HOWEVER, a big however, that I've had 10 years of JSP/Servlet and 5 years of Strusts and Spring MVC, and I'm confident I can work with JSF in your project.

Another employer asked for Dojo, again I told him similar things that I've had extensive experience with JavaScript and two other AJAX libraries. Then, he took my line and said "I'm sure you can pick up Dojo in no time." Voila.

If the employer you are dealing with doesn't buy in, then it's his loss, not yours. I don't wanna work for stupid employers like that anyway.
Good writing! Valuable opinion! Worth reading! Thank you very much for sharing. -clearjune(出污泥而不染); 2010-4-28 (#6039059@0)

@Edmonton

I sincerely respect you for going the extra miles to help out our fellow Chinese IT immigrants. I salute you for that. But to me, there are some principles I stick to. Integrity is one of those principles.

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