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人言可畏!关于网友next一事的澄清

本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛前两天有网友转贴了李敖的一篇文章。根据论坛公约以及管理员的判断,该文因包含大量粗俗不洁语言及涉嫌诽谤而被删除。

论坛公约表明,“枫下论坛的管理员…拥有维持论坛讨论方向的全部权力, 我们认为不合适的文帖进行删除或修改。 ”

并且,“枫下论坛的管理员不在论坛上回答对具体某个人某个帖子的被删的质疑,此类帖子将被管理员删除。如果您对删帖有异议,欢迎您直接发email给我们….”

令人遗憾的是,next网友反复多次就此次删帖发文,在使用粗俗语言的同时,发表李敖文章在其他网址的广告。枫下论坛公约禁止在非广告区发布广告,因此这些文帖再次被删除。

可是next网友屡删屡贴,并且多次在贴中扬言“删我帖,死全家”之类的诅咒。因此,今天上午管理员向NEXT网友发出EMAIL,

----- Original Message -----
From: <sailor@rolia.com>
To: <wtomca@yahoo.com>
Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:03 AM
Subject: Message from webmaster


> Hello,
>
> This is Sailor, webmaster of rolia.
>
> First of all, please allow me to express my thanks to you, for your
warmheart in rolia. Whenever there's friend in trouble, you're always glad
to help them~~Because of there're many people like you, Rolia has become the
most popular and warmest community for us Chinese Canadians.
>
> We all understand that Rolia is our place, and we're trying our best to
keep this place better and better. The management team are working hard to
improve Rolia, so that all friends on Rolia may enjoy a faster and faster
service.
>
> As you can understand, Rolia does not allow WHATEVER topics. This is to
help keep our goal and keep the atmosphere. We do not accept certain topics
as what we mentioned in the Rules of Forum. To manage the forum, we have to
delete some posts according to our rules and our sole discretion. As you
know, recently your posts have been deleted. But we're so sad to find that
you keep posting similar posts. That's not good for both you and Rolia, and
that dispoints many friends who regard you as a reasonable and decent
gentleman.
>
> If you have any question regarding the deletion, please only send email to
us, and we'll manage to find a way out regarding your concern. Thank you for
your co-operation and have a good day!
>
> Yours truly,
>
> Sailor

NEXT的回信如下:

From: "tomwca" <tomwca@yahoo.com>
Date: 2002/03/22 Fri AM 10:14:29 EST
To: <sailor@rolia.com>
Subject: Re: Message from webmaster

请问,我发起的贴子,1------www.comefromchina.com
是一个以ottawa为基地的论坛,ottawa的朋友可以去看看。2www.comefromchina.com首页有台湾某作家的专访,...
...
犯了那条规,为什么删?连删贴信都不给?
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

以下是管理员的回信:

From: Sailor Zhang <yhz@sympatico.ca>
Date: 2002/03/22 Fri AM 10:43:30 EST
To: "tomwca" <tomwca@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: Re: Message from webmaster

Thank you for your reply!

Regarding to the 2 deleted posts, the reasons are:

1, We regards it as kind of advertising of another website. Such ads
should be posted only to the advertising zone of Rolia (feng1 xia4 guang3
gao4 qu1).

2, Regarding Li Ao's article, we don't think it's proper for Rolia.
(According to our disclaimer and Rules of Forum, it includes coarse
language, defamation. {&#31895;&#20439;&#19981;&#27905;&#35821;&#35328;,
&#28041;&#23244;&#35837;&#35876;}) Thus we don't allow such article to be
posted or be advertised.

I hope my explanation could make you clear. Please let me know if you
have any suggestion or comments. Thank you again for your co-operation!

Yours truly,
Sailor
---------------------------------------------------------------------------

可是,在管理员回信之后,11点30分,NEXT网友再次在网上张帖违规文贴,并再次重复“删我帖,死全家”之类的诅咒和威胁。

至此,我们认为已经尽了最大的努力,仍然无法取得NEXT网友的合作。我们只好暂停NEXT网友的发帖权限。

ROLIA的每一次删帖都有系统记录,包括时间,内容,操作员的具体数据。

因为NEXT的干扰,(仅昨天至今早就发表违规文帖21次)。系统的维护和升级计划受到严重影响(仅仅写出这封澄清信,就要花多少时间!)

反之,NEXT网友使用其它ID并竟然以一副无辜的形象出现,并故意曲解ROLIA管理员的管理行为,将“论坛上禁止广告”说成“别的论坛地址再也不提”,并声称“rolia的坏话一句不说”。实在让人费解其用意。

如果你真的是喜欢,爱护rolia, 就请用一颗“爱”的心和一种“爱”的方式来对待它。如果只是为了你个人形象或是别的什么目的一味的误导别的网友,那么朋友请适可而止吧。rolia经不起您的摧残。

我们的精力是非常有限的,我们希望它用在对ROLIA的完善和提高上,而不是用在删帖上。谢谢大家对ROLIA的一贯支持。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 枫下沙龙 / 站务管理 / 人言可畏!关于网友next一事的澄清
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛前两天有网友转贴了李敖的一篇文章。根据论坛公约以及管理员的判断,该文因包含大量粗俗不洁语言及涉嫌诽谤而被删除。

    论坛公约表明,“枫下论坛的管理员…拥有维持论坛讨论方向的全部权力, 我们认为不合适的文帖进行删除或修改。 ”

    并且,“枫下论坛的管理员不在论坛上回答对具体某个人某个帖子的被删的质疑,此类帖子将被管理员删除。如果您对删帖有异议,欢迎您直接发email给我们….”

    令人遗憾的是,next网友反复多次就此次删帖发文,在使用粗俗语言的同时,发表李敖文章在其他网址的广告。枫下论坛公约禁止在非广告区发布广告,因此这些文帖再次被删除。

    可是next网友屡删屡贴,并且多次在贴中扬言“删我帖,死全家”之类的诅咒。因此,今天上午管理员向NEXT网友发出EMAIL,

    ----- Original Message -----
    From: <sailor@rolia.com>
    To: <wtomca@yahoo.com>
    Sent: Friday, March 22, 2002 10:03 AM
    Subject: Message from webmaster


    > Hello,
    >
    > This is Sailor, webmaster of rolia.
    >
    > First of all, please allow me to express my thanks to you, for your
    warmheart in rolia. Whenever there's friend in trouble, you're always glad
    to help them~~Because of there're many people like you, Rolia has become the
    most popular and warmest community for us Chinese Canadians.
    >
    > We all understand that Rolia is our place, and we're trying our best to
    keep this place better and better. The management team are working hard to
    improve Rolia, so that all friends on Rolia may enjoy a faster and faster
    service.
    >
    > As you can understand, Rolia does not allow WHATEVER topics. This is to
    help keep our goal and keep the atmosphere. We do not accept certain topics
    as what we mentioned in the Rules of Forum. To manage the forum, we have to
    delete some posts according to our rules and our sole discretion. As you
    know, recently your posts have been deleted. But we're so sad to find that
    you keep posting similar posts. That's not good for both you and Rolia, and
    that dispoints many friends who regard you as a reasonable and decent
    gentleman.
    >
    > If you have any question regarding the deletion, please only send email to
    us, and we'll manage to find a way out regarding your concern. Thank you for
    your co-operation and have a good day!
    >
    > Yours truly,
    >
    > Sailor

    NEXT的回信如下:

    From: "tomwca" <tomwca@yahoo.com>
    Date: 2002/03/22 Fri AM 10:14:29 EST
    To: <sailor@rolia.com>
    Subject: Re: Message from webmaster

    请问,我发起的贴子,1------www.comefromchina.com
    是一个以ottawa为基地的论坛,ottawa的朋友可以去看看。2www.comefromchina.com首页有台湾某作家的专访,...
    ...
    犯了那条规,为什么删?连删贴信都不给?
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

    以下是管理员的回信:

    From: Sailor Zhang <yhz@sympatico.ca>
    Date: 2002/03/22 Fri AM 10:43:30 EST
    To: "tomwca" <tomwca@yahoo.com>
    Subject: Re: Re: Message from webmaster

    Thank you for your reply!

    Regarding to the 2 deleted posts, the reasons are:

    1, We regards it as kind of advertising of another website. Such ads
    should be posted only to the advertising zone of Rolia (feng1 xia4 guang3
    gao4 qu1).

    2, Regarding Li Ao's article, we don't think it's proper for Rolia.
    (According to our disclaimer and Rules of Forum, it includes coarse
    language, defamation. {&#31895;&#20439;&#19981;&#27905;&#35821;&#35328;,
    &#28041;&#23244;&#35837;&#35876;}) Thus we don't allow such article to be
    posted or be advertised.

    I hope my explanation could make you clear. Please let me know if you
    have any suggestion or comments. Thank you again for your co-operation!

    Yours truly,
    Sailor
    ---------------------------------------------------------------------------

    可是,在管理员回信之后,11点30分,NEXT网友再次在网上张帖违规文贴,并再次重复“删我帖,死全家”之类的诅咒和威胁。

    至此,我们认为已经尽了最大的努力,仍然无法取得NEXT网友的合作。我们只好暂停NEXT网友的发帖权限。

    ROLIA的每一次删帖都有系统记录,包括时间,内容,操作员的具体数据。

    因为NEXT的干扰,(仅昨天至今早就发表违规文帖21次)。系统的维护和升级计划受到严重影响(仅仅写出这封澄清信,就要花多少时间!)

    反之,NEXT网友使用其它ID并竟然以一副无辜的形象出现,并故意曲解ROLIA管理员的管理行为,将“论坛上禁止广告”说成“别的论坛地址再也不提”,并声称“rolia的坏话一句不说”。实在让人费解其用意。

    如果你真的是喜欢,爱护rolia, 就请用一颗“爱”的心和一种“爱”的方式来对待它。如果只是为了你个人形象或是别的什么目的一味的误导别的网友,那么朋友请适可而止吧。rolia经不起您的摧残。

    我们的精力是非常有限的,我们希望它用在对ROLIA的完善和提高上,而不是用在删帖上。谢谢大家对ROLIA的一贯支持。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 真的贴了那六个字,就太过分了,坚决支持斑竹!不过李敖的文章我也看了,其实真的没什么,照这样说,泌尿科和妇科的医生护士竟然是天天在说污言秽语了?
      • 泌尿科和妇科的医生护士也仅仅只是在看病时才这么说吧? 难得金DD格调这么高, 就差和李敖同志琴瑟相和了!
        • 但是你真的认为他们看病时是在说污言秽语吗?
          • 咣当!!!! 我倒!!!! $^%^*#$%
      • 当时确实是给删了个气急败坏,才出此烂言,现在想起也甚是后悔,再次道歉。(#414603道一次了)不过不知你被连连删贴是什么感觉,赫赫。就此潜水80天再见。
        BTW,我也恨小日本牙痒痒,有反日的贴子再来,我换个名支持支持你。
    • 这话我看到了,其实很多事情大家交流一下就可以解决的,没有必要搞到现在这种地步么。最起码大多数人看到的是不断的删贴,而且不知道什么原因。
    • 呃,看来是真是事出有因,抱歉!顺便顶顶。另外还是想知道那些朋友手里有斧子,仅仅好奇。
      • 俺也很好奇。
    • 支持一下斑竹! 被删也没什么, 他让俺想起祥林嫂!
    • 管一个网也跟管一个家,一间公司,一个国家一样,不容易,怎么鞠躬尽瘁,都还是有人不满,好多时候,站在版主的立场上考虑的得是全局,支持一下版主。
    • 人间自有公论,大家的眼睛也是很亮的,不必计较蚊蝇的不合之音,完全支持清洁工的保持工作,虽然我也被删过讨论时用词火气过大的贴.
    • 支持,支持!建立一个友好,互助,积极,和睦的社区需要大家的共同努力。:)
    • 呵呵,现在“斑竹”就是一个筐,什么不满都可以往里装。有人说斑竹拿了日本人的钱,有人说斑竹只允许对中国政府歌功颂德,有人说斑竹在练FLG,有人说斑竹是干部脸,有人说斑竹一小撮人在rolia上打情骂俏,斑竹的性格多么分裂呀。:D
      • 反正俺看到bingle和MM打情骂俏, 不知大家看到没有?
        • No, I don't.
        • 你这样说可害苦了他了!他老婆经常来检查他的作业,发现你这句话他要回去跪搓衣板了!:(
          • 估计跪主板的的可能性比较大. :D
            • 男儿膝下有黄金,要跪就跪478!
              • @@ 478是啥东东?
                • 就系主板上那个最值钱的东东啦,把它反过来背面就系478根明晃晃的小刺和钉板差不多啦 :-Q
                  • 是跪Intel P IV还是跪主板?
                    • 轮流
                      • 严重怀疑您是重庆渣滓洞逃出来的。。。
                  • 偶知啦。牟该你。
      • 斑竹的用途就是做竹筐
    • 支持 :-)
    • 其实李敖的文章真的没有什么, 被删是有点冤(个人看法), 我在国内做网站编辑的时候还兼做好几个版的版主, 而且还是政论和军事方面的版, 以我们公司的规矩看, 李敖的文章再正常不过, 无色情, 无攻击中国政府
    • 支持网管,我上ROLIA是因为她健康的内容,仅这点就可知网管们的辛苦。多谢!
    • 支持 但有几点看法和建议
      1. 请定义Rolia广告. " 发表李敖文章在其他网址的广告" --- 给出一个连接是不是就是广告? 若是很多人都做过了.

      2. 此类Email回复是否该用中文以避免歧义. 当然如果自认英文奇好或打中文太太费时则例外.

      3 没有人24小时都在Rolia. 以后若有类似问题发生是否写个简短声明以是正听?

      本人没做过班主, 不知删贴是否很费事? 好奇而已.
      • Thanks for your message.
        本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛1. 请定义Rolia广告. " 发表李敖文章在其他网址的广告" --- 给出一个连接是不是就是广告? 若是很多人都做过了.

        A: This is determined by our moderator's sole discretion. It's impossible and unfeasible to accurately define the word advertisement under the forum background. What our moderators try to do is to keep a good atmosphere and allow more diversity.

        2. 此类Email回复是否该用中文以避免歧义. 当然如果自认英文奇好或打中文太太费时则例外.

        A: We're trying our best to type in Chinese, regardless the turtle speed. That message took me 3 hours for the typing!

        3 没有人24小时都在Rolia. 以后若有类似问题发生是否写个简短声明以是正听?

        We really don't want ROLIA to become a place full of all kinds of claimation... I believe many friends don't want to see those. As a result, we do not allow discussion of a specific deletion on the forum. We welcome all related comments through email only.

        本人没做过班主, 不知删贴是否很费事? 好奇而已.

        Nobody wants to delete messages for fun. We have lots of things to do, even simply for the website of ROLIA. The only purpose of deletion is to keep the forum as readable and healthy as possible.

        Thank you again for your comments.更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 再sorry一下,从小就怕误解。跟这里一下,我的解释在#415758
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛system说的基本都是是实,但有了一点时间差。本来以为搞笑的认个错一人退一步就得了,毕竟人在屋檐下吗。但system又误解了,只好祥林解释一番了()。目的只有一个,请回next这个ID.
      我的心理过程大概有4个,1莫名奇妙,2气愤,3抓狂,4哭笑不得
      1莫名奇妙:我发了 大意为 "rolia太差了,连XX专访都不敢留着,看人家XX专访都敢放在首页。人家斑竹说了,我不下**谁下**."并有专访连接被删,莫名奇妙,我想可能是不应说“rolia太差了“于是就删掉这几个字重贴,又被删,我想可能是不应提XX专访,我就写成台湾某作家专访。又被删。这些删贴都没有删贴信,使我非常气愤,
      2气愤:于是就发了7,8个贴问为什么删我的贴都被删,但好像有了删贴信。并上贴了几个类似“有一个以ottawa 为基础的论坛,有ottawa生活问题的朋友请去看看。“被删。“这个贴也提及***.网站了你到也删了呀“(有一个朋友也介绍这个网站给别人,我跟贴)被删,"被黑刀砍伤者第一届代表大会在这里举行“被删。
      3抓狂阶段:2,3次“FLG六字真经“(这确实是极其错误的,但已到了抓狂阶段,希望大家理解。(3阶段的贴和2阶段的贴时间有重复的,不是故意误导,特此声明。
      这时才收到system的信,解释费什么删贴。
      4哭笑不得:认错之后仍被人剁,正在念叨“给我根侯筋作个弹弓,打你家后窗... ...“

      如果system觉得不是事实,就把所有删的贴都贴出来,也可能我记串了些顺序,我在进一步检讨。更多精彩文章及讨论,请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net