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Because he said he earned 100K before left for canada in 2001.

victorzhou(patty)
本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Maybe he did not work long enough before he emmigrated. So he still kept some dreams about the career in china.

The 20 months is a good chance to vanish his "Gold Rush" dream in china.

Someone might think they can make difference in china with a canadian passport and a canadian degree. No way, unless you're senior management, senior financial staff, or senior sales.

Most of people here are technical persons. They might find a 200K or 300K job for a few years. But if they cannot find a chance (they have to have these abilities too) to step up and chance their roles successfully, they will be laid-off sooner than in NA. Many companies are moving their development centres into Chengdu, Xi'an because they have got tired of high cost in SH, BJ, SZ.

Wake up, Hai-gui day-dreamers!

The problem is not if 200KRMB=60KCAD. 200K technical positions are the one to be substituted in china. But if you lost of a job of 60K, you can find a equivalent one or even higher if enconomy is not very bad.

The huawei people who earned 400K is asking if he should go to canada. He knew pretty well that he cannot find a job in canada to compete his 400K income in china. But he concerned about how long can he earn 400K in china. It could be one year, or 2 year, but he has no confidence to earn another 10 years as he is 36-year-old.

This is the major problem of china's job market. Nobody has confidence to maintain his income and life standard for long time.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
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  • 工作学习 / 事业与工作 / 我的海归20个月的过程和感受（1）（加籍，IT,北京） -cleverman(cleverman); 2006-6-20 {1599} (#3038003@0)
    本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛最近大家讨论海归比较热烈，我也说一下自己的亲身感受与过程。
    首先说说自己为什么海归？
    04年master毕业，立马海归，原因有以下几个：
    1.确实思念中国：parents, friends, food, culture etc.
    2.看到同学找到的工作，自己都不满意，想做自己喜欢的工作。
    3.从工资来看，感觉跟国内比没有太大优势，认为国内20万自己能力还是可以达到的，而且生活不会比在加拿大差。
    因此自己给自己制定一个计划：起薪10万，这是出国前工资。一年后15万，两年后20万。工作在network security or game field.

    回国前开始发简历，联系，定了6个interviews。（没有单位愿意我在加拿大的时候就给我offer,另外也没有大外企）
    回国后马上安排了3天面试，一天两个。在第二天早上面试第三家公司的时候，接到第一家公司的电话，给了offer。（实际上在当天下午，他

    们就发email联系我了，因为我还没有手机，也不能check email,所以第二天早上才能确定）。

    经验：虽然我要的工资不高，也许很多人认为很低。可是这也是很快找到工作的关键。后来同样有加拿大海归来公司面试，以前国内motolora

    的，要了15万，被老板给fail掉了。后来工作中证明了能力，工资也是一直在涨，基本都提前完成了我的计划。

    这个公司是家美国小公司，不过在security某个领域是世界领先的，多年排在第一位。在我安排的6个面试中，这家也是我最感兴趣的了，所以

    ，得了offer就没有再去别的公司面试。

    进入公司是software developer, 但是因为当时没有开发任务，就先安排我做testing的工作。不是很满意，当初对testing也是不理解，觉得

    技术含量低。但是，既然是公司交给我的任务就要好好完成吧。再简单的工作，想做得比别人出色也不容易。做到一个多月的时候，

    supervisor生病，manager让我临时客串了一下，也就是一天。后来几天manager找我，说觉得我有leadership的潜力。因此，3个月后promote

    到team lead. 从此和testing也就分不开了。更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
    • 感兴趣, 请继续 -onionring(onionring); 2006-6-20 (#3038076@0)
    • 谢谢分享! 我还在骑墙呢!!! -qzh(胡子); 2006-6-20 (#3038079@0)
    • 男子汉大丈夫, 能伸能曲, 退一步, 进三步, 有信念, 有原则, 有策略, 还懂得关怀群体,迟早是件大器. 赞! 希望能进一步谈谈在国内工作遇到的愉快事和障碍, 为大家提供新思路. 敬表良好祝愿! -goingconern(GoingConcern); 2006-6-20 (#3038099@0)
      • 大侠也惦记着海归了? -kumingren(Holdtight); 2006-6-20 (#3038184@0)
    • You're in US now -victorzhou(patty); 2006-6-20 {1283} (#3038165@0)
      本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Your whole track is:
      1) immigrate to canada in 2001
      2) find a job within 12 hours
      3) Enrolled a master program in late 2002 or early 2003 (quit your job?)
      4) graduate and get master degree in middle of 2004
      5) stay in china for 20 months and earned from 100K to 200K
      6) leave china in early 2006 (get disappointed finally?)
      7) After come back, maybe due to disappointed with both canada and china, you get a TN and work in US now

      There was a film called "Out of Aferica". Your experience can be called "Out of China" + "Out of Canada".

      My question is: You've been working in china for quite a few years and earned 100K before immigrated to canada. Why you stepped back again to waste your 20 months? Do not argue with me that life is experience. Nobody will go to africa to gain any experiences.

      If my guessing is correct, I think you're looking for a buffer before you find a job in US. A job in china or canada can both be an good option for a temporay stay. Your objective is to go to US.

      This might have to be the destiny for every technology-oriented people. China absolutely is not a paradise for these people. Canada's job market is too small and crowded with qualified people.

      I remembered your new job is Microsoft SDET, maybe I'm wrong.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
      • COOL! -kumingren(Holdtight); 2006-6-20 {174} (#3038192@0)
        但是, 有个推理不严谨: "You've been working in china for quite a few years and earned 100K before immigrated to canada. Why you stepped back again to waste your 20 months?"
        • Because he said he earned 100K before left for canada in 2001. -victorzhou(patty); 2006-6-20 {1481} (#3038231@0)
          本文发表在 rolia.net 枫下论坛Maybe he did not work long enough before he emmigrated. So he still kept some dreams about the career in china.

          The 20 months is a good chance to vanish his "Gold Rush" dream in china.

          Someone might think they can make difference in china with a canadian passport and a canadian degree. No way, unless you're senior management, senior financial staff, or senior sales.

          Most of people here are technical persons. They might find a 200K or 300K job for a few years. But if they cannot find a chance (they have to have these abilities too) to step up and chance their roles successfully, they will be laid-off sooner than in NA. Many companies are moving their development centres into Chengdu, Xi'an because they have got tired of high cost in SH, BJ, SZ.

          Wake up, Hai-gui day-dreamers!

          The problem is not if 200KRMB=60KCAD. 200K technical positions are the one to be substituted in china. But if you lost of a job of 60K, you can find a equivalent one or even higher if enconomy is not very bad.

          The huawei people who earned 400K is asking if he should go to canada. He knew pretty well that he cannot find a job in canada to compete his 400K income in china. But he concerned about how long can he earn 400K in china. It could be one year, or 2 year, but he has no confidence to earn another 10 years as he is 36-year-old.

          This is the major problem of china's job market. Nobody has confidence to maintain his income and life standard for long time.更多精彩文章及讨论，请光临枫下论坛 rolia.net
          • Well, a couple of my friends in SH was making 400K-500K back in 2004. Now they are making 800K. As long as China's economy keeps growing and foreign investment keeps flowing in, the salary should rise. My two cents. -chendavid(David); 2006-6-20 (#3038285@0)
            • 有在上海年入80万的能力，只要英语不是太差，在这里年入10几万也不是不可能把，有能力在哪里都能闯出来。好奇的是，上海有多少年入80万的position在等着海龟，大家都是从国内出来的，80万年薪在中国什么概念还是知道的。 -qqivy(不再爱咖啡); 2006-6-20 (#3038316@0)
              • It all depends on the industry. Some people are just lucky to be there. Say, investment banks, law firms and consulting firms. -chendavid(David); 2006-6-20 (#3038336@0)
              • So, if you have a job in SH paying 800K as a manager, and you find a job in Canada 100K as a senior analyst, which one will you choose? -chendavid(David); 2006-6-20 (#3038356@0)
                • First of all, companies are not stupid in SH. If someone is willing to pay u 800k, u must be living without any life there. Secondly, if u can get 800k annual pay in SH, u can definitly get more than 100k in Canada. -qqivy(不再爱咖啡); 2006-6-21 {72} (#3038537@0)
                  (pls note I said 10几万 in my post) So ur conditions are not comparable.
                  • Blindly and affirmatively supporting you... -jeffrey815(Smartiecat); 2006-6-21 (#3039572@0)
                • SH of course. But if 300K RMB, I will not accept. If 400K, I will think over. -victorzhou(patty); 2006-6-21 (#3038558@0)
            • These 400K-500K or 800K is guarenteed not a technical position. So please check yourself if you're capable. Wu Zheng, Yang Lan are earning many million per year. But we cannot copy their life. -victorzhou(patty); 2006-6-20 (#3038322@0)
              • These are professional jobs, they are not necessary mangers who supervise people. They are consultants. Some of them are pretty technical. -chendavid(David); 2006-6-20 (#3038346@0)
      • victor, you didn't get my whole history. I will talk with you about them later. Thx for your interests. some of your understanding are not correct. -cleverman(cleverman); 2006-6-20 (#3038361@0)
      • OMG. -nix(梦似烟花心似水); 2006-6-21 {29} (#3038634@0)
        You are like a detective...:)
    • XB自己海龟成功，鉴定完毕 -xbla(我不是来XB的); 2006-6-20 (#3038187@0)
    • 聪明人真多呀 -google1234(hellocanada); 2006-6-20 (#3038237@0)
      • 在加拿大不动脑子要死的! -urgent1(我叫不紧张); 2006-6-20 (#3038432@0)
    • 好,赞一个. 不过没看出来找工被百般刁难呀,倒象是你挑人家.:) -oe2003(东方快车); 2006-6-20 (#3038348@0)
    • 平常心是很重要的，感觉LZ在做事过程中保持了不错的心态 -hytown(中国人也能跨入SAP); 2006-6-21 (#3039328@0)
      • are you xiao zhao? -foe(ding); 2006-6-21 (#3039542@0)

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