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“it destroys the water table and it pollutes the earth and the local wells. This isn’t a green solution – it’s not a solution at all.”

uws(United We Stand)

As the world scrambles to replace fossil fuels with clean energy, the environmental impact of finding all the lithium required could become a major issue in its own right

Full Story:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

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Last Updated: 2023-8-13
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枫下家园 / 我爱我车 / 电车环保吗？制造一枚特斯拉电车的电池， -once01(作风优良自找苦吃); 2023-8-12 {301} (#15604980@0)
需要以下材料：25磅的锂金属，60磅的镍，44磅的锰，30磅的钴，200磅的铜，以及400磅的铝材、钢材和塑料

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足够造几百台发动机了 -eleclan(eleclan); 2023-8-12 (#15604992@0) +1
But that process happens in China, far away from USA. So it doesn't bother American lefties. -uws(United We Stand); 2023-8-12 (#15605004@0) +3

我影像中产量最大的应该是南美智利和阿根廷的南美锂三角。过去几年淘锂矿跟当年淘金一样。许多人跑到智利去圈地勘探。牛Telsa 自己在美国的国中国有厂，自给自足。不被别人掐脖子，这小子，太厉害 -4_fun(寻开心: 誓别三推); 2023-8-13 (#15605323@0)

That's for the mining of lithium ore. -uws(United We Stand); 2023-8-13 (#15606194@0)

尽管我从不在意什么环保，但却对这里的云山雾罩的说法有些疑问：比如里面说的 tremendous amount of energy是多少？碳排放是多少？跟节省的烧油碳排放相比是多还是少？。。。等等 -rockall(we will, we will); 2023-8-12 (#15605064@0) +1

但是碳不是个坏东西。欢迎反驳。 -uws(United We Stand); 2023-8-12 (#15605075@0) +4

😂👍 -eleclan(eleclan); 2023-8-12 (#15605077@0)
无所谓，不说碳，那环保的指标是什么？只要有比较就行。 -rockall(we will, we will); 2023-8-12 (#15605138@0) +1

正经的环保标准，是关于对空气，水，和土壤的污染。二氧化碳不是污染。 -uws(United We Stand); 2023-8-13 (#15606092@0) +2

虽然我对于电动汽车的环保效果也存疑，认为应当在电池和供应链上做更详细的评估，但是油车的汽车尾气并不是二氧化碳，对空气造成的污染毋庸置疑。 -whynot333(Hello); 2023-8-13 (#15606141@0)

We are talking about CO2 vs. pollution. -uws(United We Stand); 2023-8-13 (#15606155@0)

上面说的是不说碳，环保指标是什么，你说环保标准是对空气，水和土壤污染。按你说的环保标准，我说汽车尾气对空气的污染很严重。 -whynot333(Hello); 2023-8-13 {18} (#15606169@0)

这个你要否定么？

你的车直排？没有三元催化？😄 -eleclan(eleclan); 2023-8-13 (#15606175@0) +1

你读一下： -whynot333(Hello); 2023-8-13 (#15606185@0)

rockall 首先提出的“跟节省的烧油碳排放相比”。他在说碳排放。 -uws(United We Stand); 2023-8-13 (#15606191@0)

我都说可以不是碳了，说说其它标准和具体数据比较吧 -rockall(we will, we will); 2023-8-13 (#15606293@0)

“it destroys the water table and it pollutes the earth and the local wells. This isn’t a green solution – it’s not a solution at all.” -uws(United We Stand); 2023-8-13 {580} (#15606386@0)

As the world scrambles to replace fossil fuels with clean energy, the environmental impact of finding all the lithium required could become a major issue in its own right

Full Story:
https://www.wired.co.uk/article/lithium-batteries-environment-impact

这些污染是不可避免的吗？在我看来是环保处理不到位造成的，跟发展中国家的其他工业一样。 -rockall(we will, we will); 2023-8-13 (#15606411@0)

问得好。理论上是可以处理到位的。如果处理到位了，锂电池的价格就高到我们买不起了。 -uws(United We Stand); 2023-8-13 (#15606639@0) +1

正因为电车不环保，所以才要买电车，就是看到这帮环保激进分子不顺眼 🙂，想想俺从小就环保，天天骑自行车，肉都没得吃，放的屁都比这帮爷环保。那时候这帮爷在干啥？现在俺终于可以享受一下了，又被这帮坏家伙撺掇着要受二茬罪，吃二茬苦，横竖都是他们的理。 -ff2021(码农闰土); 2023-8-12 (#15605159@0) +7

哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈哈，👍，痛快👍 -eleclan(eleclan); 2023-8-12 (#15605177@0) +2

那你也买一辆吧，更痛快 -rockall(we will, we will); 2023-8-13 (#15606292@0)

买了干嘛？送外卖，干UBER》？ -eleclan(eleclan); 2023-8-13 (#15606319@0)

让那些环保激进分子不爽 -rockall(we will, we will); 2023-8-13 (#15606366@0)

电车环保就是掩耳盗铃 -top10(暂时无法接通); 2023-8-13 (#15606723@0) +2

@Edmonton

“it destroys the water table and it pollutes the earth and the local wells. This isn’t a green solution – it’s not a solution at all.”

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